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	<description>My Thoughts on Healing, Raiding, and being a Resto Druid</description>
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		<title>By: Niniel</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Niniel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 14:51:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You&#039;ve done nothing wrong of course. How fun being involved in guild management is probably depends a lot on the maturity of the guild members. It sounds like you have a very selfish and whiny member and you shouldn&#039;t let him affect you.

Nobody got angry with our GM, everyone understood and respected his decision and we all wished him well. We&#039;ve formed a Facebook group and a custom channel on the realm to stay in touch and there&#039;s still activity on our old forum so people are pretty nostalgic about it all :) It all worked out well in our case. If you&#039;re not having fun then you shouldn&#039;t do it.
/hug]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;ve done nothing wrong of course. How fun being involved in guild management is probably depends a lot on the maturity of the guild members. It sounds like you have a very selfish and whiny member and you shouldn&#8217;t let him affect you.</p>
<p>Nobody got angry with our GM, everyone understood and respected his decision and we all wished him well. We&#8217;ve formed a Facebook group and a custom channel on the realm to stay in touch and there&#8217;s still activity on our old forum so people are pretty nostalgic about it all <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  It all worked out well in our case. If you&#8217;re not having fun then you shouldn&#8217;t do it.<br />
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		<title>By: sylly</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 12:09:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Beru, I can absolutely relate.  I was so happy to step away from all of the responsibility of being just an officer in a raiding guild, and I was not the GM OR the raid leader.  It&#039;s been so nice to be a cog in the machine and not have the weight of the world on my shoulders.  I wish you all good luck with your decision and support you no matter what, amiga!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beru, I can absolutely relate.  I was so happy to step away from all of the responsibility of being just an officer in a raiding guild, and I was not the GM OR the raid leader.  It&#8217;s been so nice to be a cog in the machine and not have the weight of the world on my shoulders.  I wish you all good luck with your decision and support you no matter what, amiga!</p>
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		<title>By: Kae</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kae]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 19:44:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hmm, maybe Aert can write chemical formulas to explain how druids heal :)  Organic Chemistry in digital dragon-slaying glory!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, maybe Aert can write chemical formulas to explain how druids heal <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   Organic Chemistry in digital dragon-slaying glory!</p>
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		<title>By: Beruthiel</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Beruthiel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 17:33:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I guess what gets to me the most is how entitled people feel, as if I &quot;owe&quot; them something.  Not everyone is like that, but there are certainly those that are.  I am intending to lie down some ground rules for the 10 mans going forward to see if it will help alleviate some of my stress.  One of which is going to be &quot;Don&#039;t repeatedly hound me.  If I&#039;m not doing it fast enough for you, do it yourself&quot;, or some such thing.

As for having nothing to blog about...

I was actually quite horrible at chemistry (I had to get a tutor and everything).  I never did understand that thingie where you could move the thingies from one side of the &quot;=&quot; to the other.  I&#039;m always up for learning something new!  (I must get it from my dad, who used to read my textbooks for &quot;fun&quot;).  I could certainly use a refresher course ;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess what gets to me the most is how entitled people feel, as if I &#8220;owe&#8221; them something.  Not everyone is like that, but there are certainly those that are.  I am intending to lie down some ground rules for the 10 mans going forward to see if it will help alleviate some of my stress.  One of which is going to be &#8220;Don&#8217;t repeatedly hound me.  If I&#8217;m not doing it fast enough for you, do it yourself&#8221;, or some such thing.</p>
<p>As for having nothing to blog about&#8230;</p>
<p>I was actually quite horrible at chemistry (I had to get a tutor and everything).  I never did understand that thingie where you could move the thingies from one side of the &#8220;=&#8221; to the other.  I&#8217;m always up for learning something new!  (I must get it from my dad, who used to read my textbooks for &#8220;fun&#8221;).  I could certainly use a refresher course <img src='http://s1.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Beruthiel</title>
		<link>http://fallingleavesandwings.wordpress.com/2009/09/22/when-is-enough-enough/#comment-468</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Beruthiel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 17:27:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Man...just the words &quot;jail break&quot; make me want to vomit ;)

I am going to hope to have some of everyone&#039;s dependance on me for 10 mans weaned a bit by the time Ice Crown hits.

We are also going to go back to how we did 10 mans for mains before 3.1, which is we took focus groups in for achievements/hard mode work.  We got some grousing about that when we did it, but it worked out a lot better than the way we&#039;ve done Ulduar, which was &quot;who wants to go&quot; and getting god only knows what for a group make up.  I think I&#039;d rather go in with a focused strike team and just get stuff done so that I&#039;m not in there for 6 months again on my off nights.

I&#039;ve been fairly upfront with people about how worn out I&#039;m getting.  So hopefully they will realise that something needs to change.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Man&#8230;just the words &#8220;jail break&#8221; make me want to vomit <img src='http://s1.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I am going to hope to have some of everyone&#8217;s dependance on me for 10 mans weaned a bit by the time Ice Crown hits.</p>
<p>We are also going to go back to how we did 10 mans for mains before 3.1, which is we took focus groups in for achievements/hard mode work.  We got some grousing about that when we did it, but it worked out a lot better than the way we&#8217;ve done Ulduar, which was &#8220;who wants to go&#8221; and getting god only knows what for a group make up.  I think I&#8217;d rather go in with a focused strike team and just get stuff done so that I&#8217;m not in there for 6 months again on my off nights.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been fairly upfront with people about how worn out I&#8217;m getting.  So hopefully they will realise that something needs to change.</p>
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		<title>By: Kae</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 12:48:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Most guilds/communities will be quite resistant to a major change after it has been one way for several years, especially if it&#039;s on a matter of guild playstyle: that was my difficulty with my alliance guild, and my own husband served as GM there.  If it&#039;s something like having more raid leaders around, though, I can&#039;t see it causing too much drama.  Maybe even make a new rank for raid leaders/RLITs and let them see o-chat, so that they can feel involved and have that &quot;officer&quot; backing if necessary.

Ironically, some would-be raid leaders may take it badly if they have an officer/other raid leader giving them back-seat directions, but that&#039;s a judgment to be made on a per-person basis.  Others will be very glad of the advice and pointers.

The offnight stuff should all be content that they know their roles for, however, and should be relatively easy to run compared to progression!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most guilds/communities will be quite resistant to a major change after it has been one way for several years, especially if it&#8217;s on a matter of guild playstyle: that was my difficulty with my alliance guild, and my own husband served as GM there.  If it&#8217;s something like having more raid leaders around, though, I can&#8217;t see it causing too much drama.  Maybe even make a new rank for raid leaders/RLITs and let them see o-chat, so that they can feel involved and have that &#8220;officer&#8221; backing if necessary.</p>
<p>Ironically, some would-be raid leaders may take it badly if they have an officer/other raid leader giving them back-seat directions, but that&#8217;s a judgment to be made on a per-person basis.  Others will be very glad of the advice and pointers.</p>
<p>The offnight stuff should all be content that they know their roles for, however, and should be relatively easy to run compared to progression!</p>
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		<title>By: Aertimus</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 01:52:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As one who got completely fed up with people&#039;s BS when they weren&#039;t happy with something in the guild , the amount of time my husband was investing into the guild with little return (for the guild even, not just him), and then for the CRAP we got when we told people we needed to not be officers/GM because it was infringing on our marriage - I would completely support and understand any decision you make. Because despite all that, I was also living through it once and trying to help my baby even if it hated me. 

I have ZERO regrets for leaving my guild, other than I have nothing to blog about. I have ZERO regrets from taking a break from WoW since all it was was work and emotional stress. HOWEVER, I do plan to go back and play someday when I think I can actually PLAY the freaking game. 

Feel free to send me an e-mail or look me up on G-chat or the chat thing on my blog if you ever want to talk. /treehugs]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As one who got completely fed up with people&#8217;s BS when they weren&#8217;t happy with something in the guild , the amount of time my husband was investing into the guild with little return (for the guild even, not just him), and then for the CRAP we got when we told people we needed to not be officers/GM because it was infringing on our marriage &#8211; I would completely support and understand any decision you make. Because despite all that, I was also living through it once and trying to help my baby even if it hated me. </p>
<p>I have ZERO regrets for leaving my guild, other than I have nothing to blog about. I have ZERO regrets from taking a break from WoW since all it was was work and emotional stress. HOWEVER, I do plan to go back and play someday when I think I can actually PLAY the freaking game. </p>
<p>Feel free to send me an e-mail or look me up on G-chat or the chat thing on my blog if you ever want to talk. /treehugs</p>
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		<title>By: Erinys</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 18:42:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Back in vanilla, my boyfriend was our GM and it was hellish. Despite having a core of officers, no one else wanted to lead raids  or organise anything. Instead of actually playing WoW it felt like we were running a kindergarten 24/7. Nights when you just wanted to chill out, ended up running through BRD/ UBRS on yet another attunement run (I seriously think I attuned 95 percent of our 40 man raiding guild to Onyxia and BWL). In the end, all the whining and bitching and the feeling that people felt a sense of ownership towards us or at least our time just got us down. 

A close friend left for the top raiding guild on the server and mentioned our unhappiness to their new GM who promptly asked if we would consider moving guild. Whilst it wasn&#039;t easy to decision to make, we realised if we stayed where we were, we were probably going to end up quitting the game.

Since then, despite having been officers in raiding guilds, I&#039;m always wary and stick to the rules that I learnt the &quot;hard way&quot;. Multiple people can and do raid lead. Anyone can organise 10 mans and are encouraged to do so. All bank requests/orbs etc are dealt with through the forums. 

Although after 5 years, I think I would try getting others to organise 10 mans/take a larger slice of responsibility first. The 10 man itself was a success so there is no reason why others wouldnt be too. You never know, sometimes fallout like that, whilst horribly unpleasant can help change things for the better as sometimes it makes others take stock of their behaviour.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Back in vanilla, my boyfriend was our GM and it was hellish. Despite having a core of officers, no one else wanted to lead raids  or organise anything. Instead of actually playing WoW it felt like we were running a kindergarten 24/7. Nights when you just wanted to chill out, ended up running through BRD/ UBRS on yet another attunement run (I seriously think I attuned 95 percent of our 40 man raiding guild to Onyxia and BWL). In the end, all the whining and bitching and the feeling that people felt a sense of ownership towards us or at least our time just got us down. </p>
<p>A close friend left for the top raiding guild on the server and mentioned our unhappiness to their new GM who promptly asked if we would consider moving guild. Whilst it wasn&#8217;t easy to decision to make, we realised if we stayed where we were, we were probably going to end up quitting the game.</p>
<p>Since then, despite having been officers in raiding guilds, I&#8217;m always wary and stick to the rules that I learnt the &#8220;hard way&#8221;. Multiple people can and do raid lead. Anyone can organise 10 mans and are encouraged to do so. All bank requests/orbs etc are dealt with through the forums. </p>
<p>Although after 5 years, I think I would try getting others to organise 10 mans/take a larger slice of responsibility first. The 10 man itself was a success so there is no reason why others wouldnt be too. You never know, sometimes fallout like that, whilst horribly unpleasant can help change things for the better as sometimes it makes others take stock of their behaviour.</p>
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		<title>By: Beruthiel</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 18:09:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I has been on my mind more and more lately.  I&#039;ve been having a lot of communication to Brade about it as well.

As I said to him last night, I don&#039;t know if I want to leave (as I&#039;m such a control freak in this environment I wouldn&#039;t be able to just step down, I already tried that once during TBC), I just want somethings to change.  But after having done them one way for five years, how resistant will people be to changes?  I&#039;ve had such a huge hand, and worked so hard in building what we are today, I&#039;m not sure I&#039;m ready to say goodbye to it just yet.

One thing that I am going to start doing for the 10 mans is place sign ups and raid lists for those that I am running on the forums.  I&#039;m going to start making it clear that I will *not* be leading them as much going forward, and see if we have some people that want to come in as &quot;RLIT&quot; (Raid leader in training...you know, like CITs!)  I will start by helping organize them, attending them and back seat driving as needed.  But eventually I want my pressence in them to fade out so it&#039;s nice if I&#039;m there, but not mandatory.

As for the guildmate, I was extremely disapointed :(  I had a lot of respect for him and most of it was destroyed in that 30 minutes.  Which is a shame.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I has been on my mind more and more lately.  I&#8217;ve been having a lot of communication to Brade about it as well.</p>
<p>As I said to him last night, I don&#8217;t know if I want to leave (as I&#8217;m such a control freak in this environment I wouldn&#8217;t be able to just step down, I already tried that once during TBC), I just want somethings to change.  But after having done them one way for five years, how resistant will people be to changes?  I&#8217;ve had such a huge hand, and worked so hard in building what we are today, I&#8217;m not sure I&#8217;m ready to say goodbye to it just yet.</p>
<p>One thing that I am going to start doing for the 10 mans is place sign ups and raid lists for those that I am running on the forums.  I&#8217;m going to start making it clear that I will *not* be leading them as much going forward, and see if we have some people that want to come in as &#8220;RLIT&#8221; (Raid leader in training&#8230;you know, like CITs!)  I will start by helping organize them, attending them and back seat driving as needed.  But eventually I want my pressence in them to fade out so it&#8217;s nice if I&#8217;m there, but not mandatory.</p>
<p>As for the guildmate, I was extremely disapointed <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' />   I had a lot of respect for him and most of it was destroyed in that 30 minutes.  Which is a shame.</p>
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		<title>By: Beruthiel</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 17:56:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I did thank her in vent, and again in tells for leading the instance.  I didn&#039;t think about perhaps a thank you in our forums, which is something that perhaps I might consider :)

I said what I posted above, and more, trying to get him to understand where I was coming from.  Unfortuntately, he was so obstinate, I&#039;m not sure he ever got the point.  I did throw out a few rude explicitives in my frustration as I was getting berated before I finally decided that it wasn&#039;t worth it and just left the channel and logged out for the evening.

He did apologize for losing his temper to me on the following day, but still refused to see that I did nothing wrong by attending the raid.  So, who knows.  I did ultimately accept his apology, however, he was advised that if he treated anyone in Monolith, be it me or someone else, with the amount of disrespect that I had received the previous evening he would no longer have the option of being part of Monolith.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did thank her in vent, and again in tells for leading the instance.  I didn&#8217;t think about perhaps a thank you in our forums, which is something that perhaps I might consider <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I said what I posted above, and more, trying to get him to understand where I was coming from.  Unfortuntately, he was so obstinate, I&#8217;m not sure he ever got the point.  I did throw out a few rude explicitives in my frustration as I was getting berated before I finally decided that it wasn&#8217;t worth it and just left the channel and logged out for the evening.</p>
<p>He did apologize for losing his temper to me on the following day, but still refused to see that I did nothing wrong by attending the raid.  So, who knows.  I did ultimately accept his apology, however, he was advised that if he treated anyone in Monolith, be it me or someone else, with the amount of disrespect that I had received the previous evening he would no longer have the option of being part of Monolith.</p>
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