Comments on: On Limited Attempts (or lack thereof!)

By: Virile

Virile — Wed, 10 Feb 2010 18:36:30 +0000

Get to recruiting J/K!

By: Jurik

Jurik — Wed, 10 Feb 2010 18:13:40 +0000

“Limited Attempts” to meter content is a failed experiment: the hardest of hardcore guilds simply ran second or third full raids on fully geared alts, and thus aren’t really limited at all. Already many of the best guilds *require* alts and attendance at the 2nd raid, expect this trend to increase if Blizzard continues to use this gimmick.

By: Jasyla

Jasyla — Wed, 10 Feb 2010 17:45:10 +0000

Immortal achievements were awful. Much worse than limited attempts I think. At least you get a number of attempts. One screw-up (or disconnect) is all it took to completely ruin an otherwise perfect Immortal run.

The first time my guild seriously went for the Immortal achievement in Naxx-25, we made it all the way up to KT and then I was the one who died. Looking back, there wasn’t a whole lot I could have done about it, people got MC’d and immediately started firing on the raid’s aggro-magnet tree. Add in a frostbolt volley from KT at that moment and you have one dead druid. I spent the next three days fretting about it, asking myself why I didn’t have a healthstone, or why I had already used a mana pot and couldn’t take a health pot, or wishing I had moved/healed/cc’d faster. Not fun.

By: Beruthiel

Beruthiel — Wed, 10 Feb 2010 17:42:26 +0000

It is definately very hard.

I’m pretty sure that our trials that were thrown into that fight (some never having seen it before) were shitting kittens about making a mistake.

By: Beruthiel

Beruthiel — Wed, 10 Feb 2010 17:39:45 +0000

End points are nice…but we are often able to tell when our raiders are fried, and it’s time to stop. I’m not sure we’ve *ever* used all 50 of our TotGC attempts.

But, taking 7 pulls to get your putricide kill meant you only had 13 left for BQL, which hardly gives you time to work her out, if you are having trouble.

I think I would have been a bigger fan of limited attempts *per boss* as opposed to the shared attempts. Although, both would still have stunk!

By: Beruthiel

Beruthiel — Wed, 10 Feb 2010 17:37:17 +0000

We lost our immortal on the last reset, with roughly 1 minute left on Kel’Thuzad.

As shaman moved out of a black hole thingie, into someone that had the mana explode on them Completely sucked.

But, I am certainly 100% glad that the stress is gone!

By: Beruthiel

Beruthiel — Wed, 10 Feb 2010 17:36:05 +0000

Of course you don’t! You’d have to log in for that

(p.s. I hope everything is ok )

By: Beruthiel

Beruthiel — Wed, 10 Feb 2010 17:35:17 +0000

Hmmm…I’m not entirely sure. Perhaps that was the case, and I’m just reading too much into it

In other news, I read this AM about a guild that had someone server transfer that had heroic modes unlocked, so that they could start heroic mode without actually having killed the lich king. Shady!

By: Beruthiel

Beruthiel — Wed, 10 Feb 2010 17:33:56 +0000

I completely agree, Kae! I am happy to see them gone too

By: Imalinata

Imalinata — Wed, 10 Feb 2010 00:54:52 +0000

Honestly, I think that the limited attempts on normal mode were always intended as a method of preventing a large number of guilds from finishing content too early.

Blizzard has been very emphatic about how they want EVERYONE to be able to see the various raid content. We had a hard time managing our raid comp and keeping the same group in that had already spent time learning the encounter and we run with a small group of people. I can’t imagine being a very large guild with no attendance obligations trying to do the limited attempts bosses when you’re continually having to train new people to the fights.