Comments on: Rethinking Living Spirit

By: GG Blizzard, You’ve Won: ICC 25s BiS List « The Starleaf Seed

GG Blizzard, You’ve Won: ICC 25s BiS List « The Starleaf Seed — Thu, 18 Mar 2010 21:10:40 +0000

[...] a little bit of everything with 2/3CF, 2/3 Living Spirit [see Rethinking Living Spirit from Beruthiel], 2/2 Emp Touch, and sticking with a few haste [...]

By: Aubra

Aubra — Mon, 08 Mar 2010 19:16:35 +0000

I’ve been using a build with both living spirit and empowered touch maxed out, but without revitalize or cf. I tried the cf spec for awhile but just ended up frustrated because my healing went down so much. I personally love the spec I’m running with now. I mostly heal 10ms. I’ve been debating about putting revitalize back in my spec, though.

By: Adeanna

Adeanna — Tue, 02 Mar 2010 07:35:00 +0000

yeah i made the leap. and yeah, the mana regen lost was noticeable. then again, i was healing a lot more as i was going back and forth from the tank to the raid during our rotface fight, which could explain the mana usage. (i usually focus on tank healing and have a little time to regen ooc).

anyways, i like this new build as my nourish seems to hit bigger now. and i think if i use the spark of hope trinket and +spirit food, mana should be manageable for me.

and thanks again for posting such a great post! it was really helpful with the data and such to help me decide to try out this new build.

By: Beruthiel

Beruthiel — Mon, 01 Mar 2010 20:34:13 +0000

Adeanna,

I think you gear is in a spot where it is right on the cusp I think my suggestion would be to experiment with it and see how it feels.

If you end up feeling the loss to the mana regen, swap back, but if not then you’ve made a change that will help you in your 10 man setting! (actually in looking at your armory again today, it looks like you took the leap already!) After the change, it looks like your spirit took a little bit of a hit from when I looked at your armory on Friday.

How are the changes working out for you?

By: Kayllnn

Kayllnn — Sat, 27 Feb 2010 22:42:29 +0000

Great thanks for the follow up. I really was confused but obviously if I read your post closer, you were focused on T10 geared druids. It makes a lot of sense to re-evaluate talents at various gear levels. Having such a huge druid community is awesome and really makes me miss raiding with my druid as my main. You guys are great for providing so much info. If I ever get to bring my druid back into ICC and upgrade my resto gear I will def try out the loss of spirit again. Thanks for fully fleshing it out with me!

By: Adeanna

Adeanna — Fri, 26 Feb 2010 19:37:24 +0000

how is the new build working out for you? and have you used it in 10-man raids?

i’m thinking of trying this out on my druid (Adeanna – Proudmoore, US if you’re curious. but i can’t remember if i logged out in my healing set). anyways, she has a celestial focus build, over 1K spirit, and raids 10-man only; and this seems like a good thing as i use nourish quite a lot. but i dislike when something changes and throws off my healing rhythm. and it’s not like i can see how the changes affect my healing by practicing on a target dummy.

thanks in advance.

By: Beruthiel

Beruthiel — Fri, 26 Feb 2010 17:08:35 +0000

Kailanii -

In reviewing your armory, based on your non-pvp items equipped, I think probably you aren’t quite at the gear level where you would have as much benefit from dropping the two points out of living spirit. The discussion applies more to those who are at the T10 raiding level, where the gear can better support the small spell power loss, and the lost regen won’t be felt as much.

For example, on Beru I’m sitting somewhere around 1400 intellect (which provides me mana via replenish) and am over 1000 spirit with the loss of two points in living spirit. You are at just over 900 in both Intellect and Spirit, which means that you aren’t going to have the same level of regen that I get with Beru, and losing the two points in living spirit for you is going to have a more significant impact

http://dreambound-druid.blogspot.com/2009/05/revitalize-wws-report.html

There is the link to one of Kae’s studies on Revitalize if you’d like to look at some of the numbers. There is also a healthy discussion with even more numbers over on EJ regarding the talent, but I think Kae’s is a more “user friendly” read on the subject

By: Kayllnn

Kayllnn — Thu, 25 Feb 2010 23:44:37 +0000

O side note, I’m dumb at math, so I may be really wrong, but I have raided a ton playing around with my talents, and this is where I draw most of my conclusions from.

By: Kayllnn

Kayllnn — Thu, 25 Feb 2010 23:34:41 +0000

“Revitalize: Once considered a firmly optional talent, Revitalize was yoked to Wild Growth (in addition to the original Rejuvenation bonus) in patch 3.1 and became significantly more useful. The people who benefit most from it are death knights, rogues, and cat druids, so if your raid doesn’t have any (or you spend very little time raid-healing), don’t bother.”
- http://www.wow.com/2010/01/26/shifting-perspectives-restoration-101-part-2/

It seems as though the revitalize argument is still up for debate. Like I said, it depends on raid make up, and in a ten man two healing team, I would prefer my extra mana. I think it depends on what type of healers you are running with. When I am running with one of my groups, I never worry about mana, but when I am healing with my guild, I usually pull over 40% of the healing with three healers causing me to have mana issues. Sorry, I may have misunderstood your post, I didn’t realize it was only for raid healing. When people spam nourish a ton, I generally think they would be doing a lot of tank healing, which I don’t see revitalize being as useful for.

By: Beruthiel

Beruthiel — Thu, 25 Feb 2010 19:34:37 +0000

Keeva –

I noticed in your amory that you are using haste items instead of a 4 piece set bonus (well, I’m not sure about your hat cause you are cooking but I am making the assumption that you are using a haste helm). I suspect that you are at, or very close, to the haste cap without celestial focus.

I’m curious if you are going to opt for a CF build + 4 piece; or if you are going to stay with the haste gear for a 11/0/60 spec?

If you opt to go for a CF build with a 4 piece bonus, where are you going to toss the points? At that point you are forced to give up something, unfortunately

I did run with the 1/3 Living Spirit build last night, and I think it worked out well. Unfortunately, I got put into a state right before the raid which really soured my mood, and it affected my performance and me, so while I can look at my WoL from the night, I was so distracted throughout the raid I just felt off the entire night. I think I need a few more experiences with the build to definitively decide if it’s worth keeping or not