Comments on: To Buff or Not to Buff…

By: Anachan

Anachan — Thu, 04 Mar 2010 21:42:04 +0000

I understand the feeling. Back in BC, the guild I am in almost, almost had Illidan down before a large nerf happened. It was a somber evening that Monday night, when we were out of time and Illidan was still standing. He died the next night–first night of the nerf. We maintained that, given another night or possibly two, he would have been vanquished, but we were unable to prove that.

That said, I suspect we’ll use the buff, just because every other guild we know is using it. Why gimp ourselves in the relative progression?

By: Beruthiel

Beruthiel — Thu, 04 Mar 2010 19:56:13 +0000

I imagine that we will have made a final decision by Sunday, which will be the start of our two nights of LK work this week. However, I think roughly 90% of the posts up have indicated a desire to go ahead and keep the buff active.

By: Beruthiel

Beruthiel — Thu, 04 Mar 2010 19:55:01 +0000

I 100% agree that it is too soon! I know that the goal is to get everyone to see everything before Cataclysm, but c’mon. We killed Sindragosa the second week that she was available (on Monday night), we’ve had one raid week to work on the LK encounter, and we aren’t exactly slacking on progress.

I guess I just don’t understand why the need to put it in so soon.

By: Beruthiel

Beruthiel — Thu, 04 Mar 2010 19:52:25 +0000

Yea, and that is where I am conflicted on the whole thing really. I’d like to think that it can, and should, be done without it. But, at this point *not* using it puts you at a fairly significant disadvantage if you are still trying to push progress.

Fairly nasty catch 22

By: Beruthiel

Beruthiel — Thu, 04 Mar 2010 19:50:57 +0000

We’ve put up a post for people to opine on the subject. Most people have said “use it”, I just wish that the discussion didn’t have to be had at this point.

By: Beruthiel

Beruthiel — Thu, 04 Mar 2010 19:49:41 +0000

Well…I don’t think that the buff is bad, in and of itself, I just think it came far too early. I mean, they buffed a zone when only 800ish guilds have killed the end boss. I think they should have waited just a tad longer before taking the action is all.

By: Paraprax

Paraprax — Thu, 04 Mar 2010 09:04:58 +0000

My guild had the ‘joy’ of having to decide this yesterday, and we opted to use the buff for a quick clear up to sindragosa (who we’re currently learning). Come next raid we’ll have to have made up our minds about whether or not to use it for sindra as well, personally I don’t think healing tanking or dpsing has been substandard on our previous tries and that the buff, while helpful, isn’t a solution to what’s kept us from the kill. Like you said I feel TIME would’ve been the only ‘buff’ we’d need to clear the place in its entirety.

Hope you end up not feeling ashamed if your guild does end up using it, what you’re doing is still an accomplishment and you would be happier not comparing that accomplishment to ‘what couldve been’. I mean, I’m sure we could take down what we have so far in 10man without using heroism, but since it’s available, why not use it? You shouldn’t (hate that word ^^) have to gimp yourself to feel proud or satisfied with what you’re doing. Having said that it’s debatable whether or not blizzard were a tad quick with effectively nerfing their final encounter. *shrug*

By: Echoes In My Head » My e-cred, Your Chin

Echoes In My Head » My e-cred, Your Chin — Thu, 04 Mar 2010 00:27:56 +0000

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By: Imalinata

Imalinata — Wed, 03 Mar 2010 22:45:01 +0000

As I said in my comment to BobTurkey’s post, I’m disappointed. Four weeks time to kill Lich King just isn’t enough time to give non-bleeding edge guilds a chance to clear the content without the nerf. Hell, when I looked on WoWProgress this morning, there were still only about 830 guilds in the entire world that had killed LK on normal. I just would have liked at least another 2 weeks for my guild to figure their crap out so we could get the kill without it.

Sure, we could turn it off, but if we’re going to be damned for the assumption of using it for any kills after Tuesday, we might as well be guilty. That’s what the rest of the officers keep saying; it still sticks in my craw though.

By: harpysnest

harpysnest — Wed, 03 Mar 2010 19:35:34 +0000

If I were still raiding, I would be pushing for not. I would want to clear the place at least once without using the buff. Obviously once the place was on farm, definitely for speed but not the first few times. The way I see it, its like a nerf to content but rather than just making everything easier Blizzard are offering you a choice.