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		<title>By: New Double O Podcast &#8211; Episode Four! &#124; The Stories Of O</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[New Double O Podcast &#8211; Episode Four! &#124; The Stories Of O]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Aug 2011 13:59:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] or that may even get you thinking, I encourage you to check out Beruthiel&#8217;s recent post about the hidden cost of progression,  Shintar&#8217;s post about what the game would be like if Wrath never happened, and Alas&#8217; [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] or that may even get you thinking, I encourage you to check out Beruthiel&#8217;s recent post about the hidden cost of progression,  Shintar&#8217;s post about what the game would be like if Wrath never happened, and Alas&#8217; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: New Double O Podcast &#8211; Episode Four! &#171; The Stories Of O</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[New Double O Podcast &#8211; Episode Four! &#171; The Stories Of O]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jun 2011 17:46:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] or that may even get you thinking, I encourage you to check out Beruthiel&#8217;s recent post about the hidden cost of progression,  Shintar&#8217;s post about what the game would be like if Wrath never happened, and Alas&#8217; [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] or that may even get you thinking, I encourage you to check out Beruthiel&#8217;s recent post about the hidden cost of progression,  Shintar&#8217;s post about what the game would be like if Wrath never happened, and Alas&#8217; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Should Be &#171; Sheep The Diamond</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jun 2011 21:24:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] a long time put some perspective on it.  I somewhat doubt that, though, because Beru&#8217;s been feeling similarly and has also been pretty hardcore raiding a lot.  Perhaps WoW was secondary to teaching, but I  [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] a long time put some perspective on it.  I somewhat doubt that, though, because Beru&#8217;s been feeling similarly and has also been pretty hardcore raiding a lot.  Perhaps WoW was secondary to teaching, but I  [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Progression and Community // Battle of the Hexes</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Progression and Community // Battle of the Hexes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jun 2011 21:35:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] recent post by Beru has me contemplating what often feels like an inversely proportional relationship between [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] recent post by Beru has me contemplating what often feels like an inversely proportional relationship between [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Choices, Choices &#171; Sheep The Diamond</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Choices, Choices &#171; Sheep The Diamond]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jun 2011 16:34:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] in people that moves WoW from &#8220;worth it&#8221; to &#8220;not worth it&#8221; (dedicated to Beru), the idea of permadeath in games and how it&#8217;d be in WoW, and some of the ingenious quest [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] in people that moves WoW from &#8220;worth it&#8221; to &#8220;not worth it&#8221; (dedicated to Beru), the idea of permadeath in games and how it&#8217;d be in WoW, and some of the ingenious quest [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Deppi</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jun 2011 12:59:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I take and take and take from your blog and from your vids, and I rarely say &#039;thank-you&#039; as I don&#039;t consider myself estimable enough for that to count for anything much. But I hate that you are generally not getting the positive backwash you deserve from all the effort you put in across your WoW endeavours. THANK-YOU.
Now, about this raider who needed to tell you about the meter. I get that you like and enjoy this person. But really, that comment was nothing short of nasty, and certainly unnecessary (you never would have looked at the logs, right?). A bit of the Jolly Green Giant happening in the background?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I take and take and take from your blog and from your vids, and I rarely say &#8216;thank-you&#8217; as I don&#8217;t consider myself estimable enough for that to count for anything much. But I hate that you are generally not getting the positive backwash you deserve from all the effort you put in across your WoW endeavours. THANK-YOU.<br />
Now, about this raider who needed to tell you about the meter. I get that you like and enjoy this person. But really, that comment was nothing short of nasty, and certainly unnecessary (you never would have looked at the logs, right?). A bit of the Jolly Green Giant happening in the background?</p>
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		<title>By: Oestrus</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jun 2011 13:32:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Beru,

First off, I echo what the others have said.  You deserve a huge congratulations for not only *getting* to Sinestra, but downing her as well.  That&#039;s big and I hope you remember that and boast proudly of that achievement.  

I admit that I can&#039;t say too much about what it&#039;s like to be an officer or to be a GM.  What I can say is that you&#039;re not the only one who feels the community at large has changed in this expansion, both in the blogosphere and in the game.  What I can is that people like you have certainly gone above and beyond to prevent it from getting any worse than it is and I think it&#039;s folks like you that are keeping it that way.  Think Thrall outside the Maelstrom, where he&#039;s exerting himself to keep the world from tearing itself apart.  Only you&#039;re female and a Troll and a druid.  You get what I&#039;m saying.

You do make a difference and you are making a difference and whether or not you&#039;re explicitly being told that, you can look around at what you have helped create and support and know you had a hand in it.  You can go to bed at night knowing these people probably would not have gotten this far without you.  You know that other druids probably wouldn&#039;t get this far without you and even other guilds.  There are times to be humble and modest and then there are times where you know you&#039;re pretty damn awesome and you deserve to marinate in that and enjoy it to the fullest.

You do amazing work and I thank you for doing so.  

Thank you for the eloquent post and for everything else that you have done and that you will no doubt continue to do.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Beru,</p>
<p>First off, I echo what the others have said.  You deserve a huge congratulations for not only *getting* to Sinestra, but downing her as well.  That&#8217;s big and I hope you remember that and boast proudly of that achievement.  </p>
<p>I admit that I can&#8217;t say too much about what it&#8217;s like to be an officer or to be a GM.  What I can say is that you&#8217;re not the only one who feels the community at large has changed in this expansion, both in the blogosphere and in the game.  What I can is that people like you have certainly gone above and beyond to prevent it from getting any worse than it is and I think it&#8217;s folks like you that are keeping it that way.  Think Thrall outside the Maelstrom, where he&#8217;s exerting himself to keep the world from tearing itself apart.  Only you&#8217;re female and a Troll and a druid.  You get what I&#8217;m saying.</p>
<p>You do make a difference and you are making a difference and whether or not you&#8217;re explicitly being told that, you can look around at what you have helped create and support and know you had a hand in it.  You can go to bed at night knowing these people probably would not have gotten this far without you.  You know that other druids probably wouldn&#8217;t get this far without you and even other guilds.  There are times to be humble and modest and then there are times where you know you&#8217;re pretty damn awesome and you deserve to marinate in that and enjoy it to the fullest.</p>
<p>You do amazing work and I thank you for doing so.  </p>
<p>Thank you for the eloquent post and for everything else that you have done and that you will no doubt continue to do.</p>
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		<title>By: Syl</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jun 2011 09:33:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I feel with you - unfortunately nobody who&#039;s not into guild leading (a successful raid guild) himself, will ever understand how much sweat and tears goes into keeping the whole organization together by few officers (usually not even all of them, but maybe 2-3 max). You will never be in the situation to get nearly the appreciation you should, but in the end only you can give that to yourself. be proud of making so much possible, be proud to be such an important part and heart of your guild - even be proud to be such an invisible force. you know what you&#039;ve done and thats what counts. I know this doesn&#039;t always make up for a thank-you by others, but it&#039;s important to never forget. :) 
and remember too, that you&#039;re doing this for yourself as much as others. if this isn&#039;t true anymore and you do indeed feel that the balance is off there and the price to pay too high for you personally, maybe it&#039;s time to reconsider. I&#039;m saying this with the best of intentions by the way, I know how it is to go too far and burn out.
As an aside, I was somewhat surprised to read the comment about not being the &#039;top healer&#039; for the night by your guildie; is that something you commonly point out after raids? this is very against my own idea of how healing teams should think and work, I wonder why you even allow such comments? they do nothing for morale or progress and there are no stars in a healing team, way too many factors play into healing meters. I&#039;m sure you agree with me, so I&#039;m just a tad surprised this is even being said to you (and it obviously did nothing to make you feel great).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel with you &#8211; unfortunately nobody who&#8217;s not into guild leading (a successful raid guild) himself, will ever understand how much sweat and tears goes into keeping the whole organization together by few officers (usually not even all of them, but maybe 2-3 max). You will never be in the situation to get nearly the appreciation you should, but in the end only you can give that to yourself. be proud of making so much possible, be proud to be such an important part and heart of your guild &#8211; even be proud to be such an invisible force. you know what you&#8217;ve done and thats what counts. I know this doesn&#8217;t always make up for a thank-you by others, but it&#8217;s important to never forget. <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
and remember too, that you&#8217;re doing this for yourself as much as others. if this isn&#8217;t true anymore and you do indeed feel that the balance is off there and the price to pay too high for you personally, maybe it&#8217;s time to reconsider. I&#8217;m saying this with the best of intentions by the way, I know how it is to go too far and burn out.<br />
As an aside, I was somewhat surprised to read the comment about not being the &#8216;top healer&#8217; for the night by your guildie; is that something you commonly point out after raids? this is very against my own idea of how healing teams should think and work, I wonder why you even allow such comments? they do nothing for morale or progress and there are no stars in a healing team, way too many factors play into healing meters. I&#8217;m sure you agree with me, so I&#8217;m just a tad surprised this is even being said to you (and it obviously did nothing to make you feel great).</p>
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		<title>By: Blixa</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jun 2011 02:22:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is sort of a weird proposition, but as a girl who GM&#039;s a raiding guild and who identifies with SO much of this post, if you&#039;d ever like a neutral ear that understands how you feel, I&#039;d love to vent-chat you sometime. Sometimes venting to our partners (who play with us) is not what we need. Nor is it healthy or advisable to speak to other officers/guildmates. Sometimes they just won&#039;t get it.
If you would like an ear, I&#039;m here =)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is sort of a weird proposition, but as a girl who GM&#8217;s a raiding guild and who identifies with SO much of this post, if you&#8217;d ever like a neutral ear that understands how you feel, I&#8217;d love to vent-chat you sometime. Sometimes venting to our partners (who play with us) is not what we need. Nor is it healthy or advisable to speak to other officers/guildmates. Sometimes they just won&#8217;t get it.<br />
If you would like an ear, I&#8217;m here =)</p>
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		<title>By: Masith</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Masith]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jun 2011 23:39:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You have my sympathies I am officer and raid leader in a guild that is just behind yours on progression (42% on heroic cho&#039;gall atm) and I think people who haven&#039;t been an officer/raid leader don&#039;t understand how much effort the officer team put in to running a successful guild.

One of the things we do in our guild is try to encourage the attitude we want by leading by example. Get your officer team to say &quot;thanks for leading beru&quot; at the end of every raid and make sure you comment positively when anyone comes up with a tactical suggestion  that has positive results. The other side of this is you need to squash bad attitudes the second they start. For example during the last progression raid we had on Cho&#039;gall one of our tanks and one of our hunters started to blame each other for wipes and argue in raid chat, I told them if they didn&#039;t stop arguing I would replace them within 20 seconds of them starting.

If it has already gone too far for this to improve guild culture then you need your whole officer team to sit down and decide who the biggest problem children are. Then drag these people onto vent with at least 2 officers and tell them that their attitude is unacceptable and they need to improve or they will be kicked give them a time period to improve it over say two weeks.

Never forget that you actually have a lot of power, guilds as good as yours aren&#039;t always that easy to find and even if a player can find another guild at your level of progression it will cost them in transfer fees and they will have to go back to being a trialist again. You have to ask yourself what will be more painful in the long run, recruiting a replacement or playing with a problem player for the next 6 months. I don&#039;t think you don&#039;t need to sacrifice as much as you think for progression. 

On a side note I want to thank you for all of your guides I am sure that your heroic nef guide saved us many wipes, your guild has no idea how lucky they are to have you and I wish I had another officer like you on our officer team.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have my sympathies I am officer and raid leader in a guild that is just behind yours on progression (42% on heroic cho&#8217;gall atm) and I think people who haven&#8217;t been an officer/raid leader don&#8217;t understand how much effort the officer team put in to running a successful guild.</p>
<p>One of the things we do in our guild is try to encourage the attitude we want by leading by example. Get your officer team to say &#8220;thanks for leading beru&#8221; at the end of every raid and make sure you comment positively when anyone comes up with a tactical suggestion  that has positive results. The other side of this is you need to squash bad attitudes the second they start. For example during the last progression raid we had on Cho&#8217;gall one of our tanks and one of our hunters started to blame each other for wipes and argue in raid chat, I told them if they didn&#8217;t stop arguing I would replace them within 20 seconds of them starting.</p>
<p>If it has already gone too far for this to improve guild culture then you need your whole officer team to sit down and decide who the biggest problem children are. Then drag these people onto vent with at least 2 officers and tell them that their attitude is unacceptable and they need to improve or they will be kicked give them a time period to improve it over say two weeks.</p>
<p>Never forget that you actually have a lot of power, guilds as good as yours aren&#8217;t always that easy to find and even if a player can find another guild at your level of progression it will cost them in transfer fees and they will have to go back to being a trialist again. You have to ask yourself what will be more painful in the long run, recruiting a replacement or playing with a problem player for the next 6 months. I don&#8217;t think you don&#8217;t need to sacrifice as much as you think for progression. </p>
<p>On a side note I want to thank you for all of your guides I am sure that your heroic nef guide saved us many wipes, your guild has no idea how lucky they are to have you and I wish I had another officer like you on our officer team.</p>
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