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		<title>By: Aveden</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jul 2011 16:06:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think the LFD feature should read dungeon and raid achievements and place those players accordingly.  It can&#039;t be all that difficult, can it?  I mean, group up players that have several heroic boss kills together, because they will all want to run the dungeon at the same pace.  Group new players together, as they all might have the same amount of patience for one another...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the LFD feature should read dungeon and raid achievements and place those players accordingly.  It can&#8217;t be all that difficult, can it?  I mean, group up players that have several heroic boss kills together, because they will all want to run the dungeon at the same pace.  Group new players together, as they all might have the same amount of patience for one another&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Eva</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2011 04:25:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I know exactly what you mean. I have been playing for about half a year .... a month into playing, I was vote-kicked out of a dungeon for DPSing as a Protection Warrior. I wasn&#039;t stealing aggro and - even as a prot - was pulling the second best DPS. I had no idea I shouldn&#039;t be DPSing as a Prot, I hadn&#039;t been playing long enough.

There was no explanation other than, &quot;Y R U PROT?&quot; and then ... bam, I was out. It was months before I did a dungeon again.

While this was my fault for being ignorant, it&#039;s still a bit shocking for a new player.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know exactly what you mean. I have been playing for about half a year &#8230;. a month into playing, I was vote-kicked out of a dungeon for DPSing as a Protection Warrior. I wasn&#8217;t stealing aggro and &#8211; even as a prot &#8211; was pulling the second best DPS. I had no idea I shouldn&#8217;t be DPSing as a Prot, I hadn&#8217;t been playing long enough.</p>
<p>There was no explanation other than, &#8220;Y R U PROT?&#8221; and then &#8230; bam, I was out. It was months before I did a dungeon again.</p>
<p>While this was my fault for being ignorant, it&#8217;s still a bit shocking for a new player.</p>
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		<title>By: Tellervo</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jun 2011 00:57:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve been vote kicked once on my second resto druid when I did H HoO and the tank did not hold aggro on snaks on the first boss &gt;.&lt;

What I found useful is after a wipe instead of starting the conversation with “do you understand how this fight works”, launch straight into explaining strats and point out what they are doing wrong and what they need to fix it. If they don&#039;t understand what they are doing wrong fast, they will vote kick you ..]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been vote kicked once on my second resto druid when I did H HoO and the tank did not hold aggro on snaks on the first boss &gt;.&lt;</p>
<p>What I found useful is after a wipe instead of starting the conversation with “do you understand how this fight works”, launch straight into explaining strats and point out what they are doing wrong and what they need to fix it. If they don&#039;t understand what they are doing wrong fast, they will vote kick you ..</p>
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		<title>By: ancientofwow</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jun 2011 11:31:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As other readers have said, this attitude shows itself from the lowest levels. I had such a horrible experience with a group in Scarlet Monastery on a fledgling holy priest that I never played the character again - maybe I am over-sensitive, but I am experienced and I dread to think of the effect some groups would have on a new player. They would probably run away to Rift &amp; never come back.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As other readers have said, this attitude shows itself from the lowest levels. I had such a horrible experience with a group in Scarlet Monastery on a fledgling holy priest that I never played the character again &#8211; maybe I am over-sensitive, but I am experienced and I dread to think of the effect some groups would have on a new player. They would probably run away to Rift &amp; never come back.</p>
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		<title>By: snuzzle</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jun 2011 06:20:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That mage was unbelieveable. He stood directly in the fire, and died, and then had the nerve to say the reason was &quot;I got no heals?&quot; I&#039;m sorry, I would have dropped that group before they even gave me the chance to be removed. 

Some of the best LFD groups I&#039;ve had are ones where we&#039;ve wiped multiple times, but the people were friendly and we were all having fun. As a matter of fact, a couple weeks ago I was having a bout of insomnia and was tanking extremely sloppily due to my sleep-deprived brain. By the end of the run, I&#039;d died so much my durability was single digits (the healer was a bit slow to react, but hey, I was also sucking hard at tanking), But the folks I was with were so friendly, and so awesome, that I really wished I&#039;d had the ability to friend cross server for groups then and there. As it is, I screenshotted their names for if that feature ever becomes available. 

If someone shows a willingness to learn, and a bit of humility, I have infinite patience. Infinite. 

If someone is abrasive, insulting, or just plain rude, I will vote kick in a second.

Joe Ego&#039;s reply hit at the heart of the problem. People think they don&#039;t owe anyone else in the run anything. It&#039;s all mememe, gogogo, and the rest of the party may as well be NPCs with how replaceable they are. Part of it is the anonymity and lack of consequences or accountability that comes with being cross realm and knowing you&#039;ll never see the other people again; part of it too though is the instant gratification and ease with which you can replace a person. If you just don&#039;t like their playstyle, you can simply kick them and another player ports in seamlessly. It&#039;s like sitting there mashing the randomize button until the character creator gives you a combination of features you like. You don&#039;t feel bad that you didn&#039;t like that particular combination of pixels. They&#039;re just pixels.

LFD currently has all the friendliness and community of 4chan&#039;s /B/. It&#039;s that bad.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That mage was unbelieveable. He stood directly in the fire, and died, and then had the nerve to say the reason was &#8220;I got no heals?&#8221; I&#8217;m sorry, I would have dropped that group before they even gave me the chance to be removed. </p>
<p>Some of the best LFD groups I&#8217;ve had are ones where we&#8217;ve wiped multiple times, but the people were friendly and we were all having fun. As a matter of fact, a couple weeks ago I was having a bout of insomnia and was tanking extremely sloppily due to my sleep-deprived brain. By the end of the run, I&#8217;d died so much my durability was single digits (the healer was a bit slow to react, but hey, I was also sucking hard at tanking), But the folks I was with were so friendly, and so awesome, that I really wished I&#8217;d had the ability to friend cross server for groups then and there. As it is, I screenshotted their names for if that feature ever becomes available. </p>
<p>If someone shows a willingness to learn, and a bit of humility, I have infinite patience. Infinite. </p>
<p>If someone is abrasive, insulting, or just plain rude, I will vote kick in a second.</p>
<p>Joe Ego&#8217;s reply hit at the heart of the problem. People think they don&#8217;t owe anyone else in the run anything. It&#8217;s all mememe, gogogo, and the rest of the party may as well be NPCs with how replaceable they are. Part of it is the anonymity and lack of consequences or accountability that comes with being cross realm and knowing you&#8217;ll never see the other people again; part of it too though is the instant gratification and ease with which you can replace a person. If you just don&#8217;t like their playstyle, you can simply kick them and another player ports in seamlessly. It&#8217;s like sitting there mashing the randomize button until the character creator gives you a combination of features you like. You don&#8217;t feel bad that you didn&#8217;t like that particular combination of pixels. They&#8217;re just pixels.</p>
<p>LFD currently has all the friendliness and community of 4chan&#8217;s /B/. It&#8217;s that bad.</p>
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		<title>By: ecker</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jun 2011 03:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I had a whole paragraph here about treating players with respect and kindness, and how asshats are asshats....

But! In the spirit of positivity, I thought I&#039;d offer my own excellent experience in Stratholme on my feral druid alt, instead. (Asshats get too much of our time, anyway, don&#039;t they?) So, Strat, a few days ago....

If there was ever a dungeon where I might reasonably have expected to be vote-kicked, that was the one:
1) I had just switched from balance, so was having trouble learning how much Swipe was too much Swipe before the mobs decided I was tastier-looking than the tank. 
2) I accidentally pulled an entire group of mobs *while we were on a boss*
3) At the end, I was defeated by Rivendare&#039;s door and had to sit outside while the rest of the group downed him. 

In hindsight, certainly not my *best* outing.... 

Are you laughing? Because I was. What could have easily been an experience that ruined me for the Dungeon Finder for days was an absolute pleasure all the way through. From the tank whose first words were, &quot;Hi, I haven&#039;t played this guy in six months&quot; to the hunter who ran through the dungeon wailing for Holy Water obsessively, to the healer who broke out in dance, and the spriest who randomly yelled everything in caps and ran around going, &quot;AHHHHHHHHH AHHHHH!&quot; in party chat as he dps&#039;ed with abandon (to be fair, that was the pull where I decided we needed another dozen mobs on us, so maybe the panic was justified). And through all the hiccups, it was just laughter and good-natured teasing.

Quotes:
&quot;Wow, there&#039;s a lot of ugly mobs in there.&quot; (that would be the abom section)
&quot;AHHHH! OMG WHAT ARE YOU DOING?! AHHHHHH!&quot;
&quot;Doors are hard for me.&quot;  &quot;I&#039;m hard for you.&quot; (no genders given, I&#039;m pretty sure he thought I was a guy)
And most importantly, &quot;lol&quot; (many, many times)

It was a quirky, crazy, imperfect, joy of a time, and it was all because even though the performance was underwhelming, the people were awesome. So even though I&#039;m sorry such a crappy thing happened to you, thank you for this post - it&#039;s inspired me to strive a little more to be the kind of player I&#039;d like to play with. =)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had a whole paragraph here about treating players with respect and kindness, and how asshats are asshats&#8230;.</p>
<p>But! In the spirit of positivity, I thought I&#8217;d offer my own excellent experience in Stratholme on my feral druid alt, instead. (Asshats get too much of our time, anyway, don&#8217;t they?) So, Strat, a few days ago&#8230;.</p>
<p>If there was ever a dungeon where I might reasonably have expected to be vote-kicked, that was the one:<br />
1) I had just switched from balance, so was having trouble learning how much Swipe was too much Swipe before the mobs decided I was tastier-looking than the tank.<br />
2) I accidentally pulled an entire group of mobs *while we were on a boss*<br />
3) At the end, I was defeated by Rivendare&#8217;s door and had to sit outside while the rest of the group downed him. </p>
<p>In hindsight, certainly not my *best* outing&#8230;. </p>
<p>Are you laughing? Because I was. What could have easily been an experience that ruined me for the Dungeon Finder for days was an absolute pleasure all the way through. From the tank whose first words were, &#8220;Hi, I haven&#8217;t played this guy in six months&#8221; to the hunter who ran through the dungeon wailing for Holy Water obsessively, to the healer who broke out in dance, and the spriest who randomly yelled everything in caps and ran around going, &#8220;AHHHHHHHHH AHHHHH!&#8221; in party chat as he dps&#8217;ed with abandon (to be fair, that was the pull where I decided we needed another dozen mobs on us, so maybe the panic was justified). And through all the hiccups, it was just laughter and good-natured teasing.</p>
<p>Quotes:<br />
&#8220;Wow, there&#8217;s a lot of ugly mobs in there.&#8221; (that would be the abom section)<br />
&#8220;AHHHH! OMG WHAT ARE YOU DOING?! AHHHHHH!&#8221;<br />
&#8220;Doors are hard for me.&#8221;  &#8220;I&#8217;m hard for you.&#8221; (no genders given, I&#8217;m pretty sure he thought I was a guy)<br />
And most importantly, &#8220;lol&#8221; (many, many times)</p>
<p>It was a quirky, crazy, imperfect, joy of a time, and it was all because even though the performance was underwhelming, the people were awesome. So even though I&#8217;m sorry such a crappy thing happened to you, thank you for this post &#8211; it&#8217;s inspired me to strive a little more to be the kind of player I&#8217;d like to play with. =)</p>
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		<title>By: Askevar</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jun 2011 23:42:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I had a similar experience a month ago or so when my tauren pally got in a ToC5 run.  After the first event, the shaman left his totems up at the door and pulled all three groups around Eadric - tank naturally couldn&#039;t pick up all the threat nor could I heal all the damage and boom, we wiped.

Someone asked what happened.  I replied that the shaman totems had pulled everything but we&#039;d be good this time.  

Shaman says &quot;fail heals&quot; and I suddenly find myself sitting in Dalaran.  &quot;You have been removed from the group&quot;.  

I was pissed and hurt and frustrated.  That&#039;s my second pally healer.  I&#039;ve tanked, healed and dpsed that instance ad nausem.  I know the damage outputs and the whens and whys and exactly when someone&#039;s not doing what they&#039;re supposed to do.  

And then I wondered what a new player in my position would have done?  And the answer I came up with wasn&#039;t pretty.  I had just changed the toon to holy five levels prior.  I know that if I&#039;d been a new player, I&#039;d have probably gone back to the crappy dps I did on my ret set and lived with it... probably wouldn&#039;t have played that alt much.  After a bad experience with druid healing in BC when I was still fairly new to the game, I swore off healing till I discovered my disc priest last xpac.  

There&#039;s so much QQ on the forums about not having enough tanks and healers.  I mean, the Ahune queue for dps is 30 minutes!  That&#039;s a bit insane!  But it&#039;s no wonder when tanks and healers are so often treated the way they are.  I&#039;ve already been cussed out twice in my queues for Ahune - both times as a tank and both times for things that were out of my control.  It&#039;s also no wonder that tanks and healers often go into things looking for a fight, ready to jump on people.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had a similar experience a month ago or so when my tauren pally got in a ToC5 run.  After the first event, the shaman left his totems up at the door and pulled all three groups around Eadric &#8211; tank naturally couldn&#8217;t pick up all the threat nor could I heal all the damage and boom, we wiped.</p>
<p>Someone asked what happened.  I replied that the shaman totems had pulled everything but we&#8217;d be good this time.  </p>
<p>Shaman says &#8220;fail heals&#8221; and I suddenly find myself sitting in Dalaran.  &#8220;You have been removed from the group&#8221;.  </p>
<p>I was pissed and hurt and frustrated.  That&#8217;s my second pally healer.  I&#8217;ve tanked, healed and dpsed that instance ad nausem.  I know the damage outputs and the whens and whys and exactly when someone&#8217;s not doing what they&#8217;re supposed to do.  </p>
<p>And then I wondered what a new player in my position would have done?  And the answer I came up with wasn&#8217;t pretty.  I had just changed the toon to holy five levels prior.  I know that if I&#8217;d been a new player, I&#8217;d have probably gone back to the crappy dps I did on my ret set and lived with it&#8230; probably wouldn&#8217;t have played that alt much.  After a bad experience with druid healing in BC when I was still fairly new to the game, I swore off healing till I discovered my disc priest last xpac.  </p>
<p>There&#8217;s so much QQ on the forums about not having enough tanks and healers.  I mean, the Ahune queue for dps is 30 minutes!  That&#8217;s a bit insane!  But it&#8217;s no wonder when tanks and healers are so often treated the way they are.  I&#8217;ve already been cussed out twice in my queues for Ahune &#8211; both times as a tank and both times for things that were out of my control.  It&#8217;s also no wonder that tanks and healers often go into things looking for a fight, ready to jump on people.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Spicer</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jun 2011 23:38:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I hate to admit this, but I&#039;ve vote kicked the wrong person on at least one occasion, and this might have been exactly what happened to you.  The group wipes, or something goes horribly wrong, you have one person in mind as the culprit (tank, healer, dps), naturally you think everyone else is also annoyed at this person - the vote kick window comes up, and &quot;yes, let&#039;s get rid of this jerk.&quot;  Too bad I didn&#039;t look at the name, and it was actually the guy screwing up our run successfully vote kicking the one person who called him on it in chat.

/facepalm]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate to admit this, but I&#8217;ve vote kicked the wrong person on at least one occasion, and this might have been exactly what happened to you.  The group wipes, or something goes horribly wrong, you have one person in mind as the culprit (tank, healer, dps), naturally you think everyone else is also annoyed at this person &#8211; the vote kick window comes up, and &#8220;yes, let&#8217;s get rid of this jerk.&#8221;  Too bad I didn&#8217;t look at the name, and it was actually the guy screwing up our run successfully vote kicking the one person who called him on it in chat.</p>
<p>/facepalm</p>
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		<title>By: The Daily Quest: Be happy</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jun 2011 23:32:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: The Daily Quest: Be happywow-warcraft.info &#124; wow-warcraft.info</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jun 2011 23:30:48 +0000</pubDate>
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