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| Blog | Restoration Druid information — Tue, 27 Sep 2011 05:39:36 +0000

[...] Inconspicious Bear - Haste Rating Breakpoints Falling Leaves and Wings – Devaluing Spirit * Good read on the arguement about Spirit vs. [...]

By: Io

Io — Wed, 24 Aug 2011 13:27:42 +0000

I run with 1700~ spirit and i like it, but that means i can not spam hot like i used to do.

By: Around the Campfire: Spirit « Jaded Alt

Around the Campfire: Spirit « Jaded Alt — Sun, 21 Aug 2011 17:18:43 +0000

[...] been seeing a lot of variation around the block when it comes to spirit. As I commented last week at Beru’s blog, I felt that I was [...]

By: Kayeri

Kayeri — Thu, 18 Aug 2011 14:54:07 +0000

I do have the tsunami card, but not the SoW, so I do get an extra 400 spirit once heals start rolling. on having a couple more days of raiding, I have noticed I am slightly shorter on mana than I was previously, but I think that can be solved by adjust my management.

The most interesting feedback I heard is a friend of mine who’s guild is working on the Ragnaros fight, who had like 3k combat regen tried reducing, but told me later she’d oomed badly in phase 3 and so shifted it all back.

By: Jar

Jar — Thu, 18 Aug 2011 13:45:18 +0000

I’m undecided on how I feel about dropping spirit. I have the T12 gloves and with them on I drop down to ~2520 spirit. Given that a lot of people who are discussing gear have Shard of Woe (I’m trying to convince my raid leader to have us spend time going back to get her) it makes it a lot more difficult for those who do not have it. I haven’t crafted out exactly what the benefit Shard of Woe is on ones mana as I don’t have a casts per minute but approximating it by 4 Swiftmends, 7.5 Wild Growths, 15 Rejuvenations (purely conjecture), 3 Regrowth, and 4 Lifebloom (33 spells per minute average) your savings is 13,567 mana per minute or 1130.6 mp/5 assuming that aggressive cast rate (I know it scales down in moments of inactivity). Something like Darkmoon Card Tsunami at my gear level provides a total (including starting mana) of roughly 520 mp/5 though at a constant rate. That’s a pretty significant difference. At 7000 intellect that difference is the equivalent of 833 spirit or so! Now I’m sure that you are not spending an entire fight at 33 casts per minute. Let’s say that between inactivity and full bore you average 25 or 26 casts per minute. That puts you at 860 mp/5 or a bonus of 458 spirit. This means that at 1700 spirit with Shard of Woe you’re running with the same amount of mana as someone with 2158 spirit and Tsunami. Similarly 2200 spirit with SoW is equivalent to 2658 spirit with Tsunami.

That right there seems to be a huge part of it for those of us without Shard.

By: Kayeri

Kayeri — Mon, 15 Aug 2011 03:35:31 +0000

Well, that was a surprise! We did Beth and worked on Alys tonight, and it didn’t feel all that different, so I am pretty pleased overall. I talked to a couple of druids in the top two guilds on my server and they agreed I’d be fine with the new configuration, and both you and they were right…

By: Oestrus

Oestrus — Sun, 14 Aug 2011 17:11:02 +0000

When I played my priest, losing spirit wasn’t something I had too much of a say in. I could choose to remain in my 4 pieces of T11 and wait to replace each of those pieces with a piece of T12, leading me to gear up more slowly than other people. Or I could choose to pursue other forms of regen and come to grips with the reduced emphasis on spirit.

One thing I learned when I wrote my Heartsong v. Power Torrent post was that it really was close, regarding how much mana regen you could get from each enchant. You were also getting a bit more throughput with Power Torrent. My initial reaction to losing as much spirit as I did was to hurry up and get more. But I realized that even if I gemmed for it, enchanted for it, and placed Heartsong on another weapon that it would still be a drop in the bucket to all that spirit I had just lost. I could just as easily do without my socket bonuses, use 2 intellect trinkets, place Power Torrent on my weapon and go forward that way. I would still have regen, but I would more throughput and the difference in regen would still be quite small.

After doing all of that, I was still having to use a potion, use my Shadowfiend, and use Hymn of Hope – but I never had to do that before. I had reached a point where I thought it made me better to not use those things and I realized it’s OK if you have to. Once I got over that mindset, I realized that heading towards intellect was a good move and I wasn’t sorry that I did it. Don’t get me wrong, I kicked and screamed all the way there (you saw the PT rants on Twitter). It’s the changing times. It had to be done!

My point is that I think we’re all in a place where intellect and spirit are so close together, in terms of value that we can do without the spirit that we needed to have, in order to get by in the past.

By: Noches

Noches — Sun, 14 Aug 2011 08:13:38 +0000

My spirit is rather low too at 2142- mainly because I have spirit based trinkets (Mandala of Stirring Patterns and Jar of ancient remedies) and I’m a touch higher than 2005 for the haste breakpoint (unbuffed and I don’t have a lock/boomkin in my raid team). I get a ton from those trinkets and my 2 t12 set bonus. I’m starting to reforge spirit for haste>mastery since I find myself with a measure of mana left at the end of the fights. I gem for Int whenever possible- I don’t value spirit that much for all the reasons I’ve given so far. I’m at the point where I don’t need more spirit if I still have mana at the end of the fights, that it would be more beneficial for me to go for mastery instead. That might change as I move into hardmodes for FL though, so far, I’m on Affinity’s side as long as I can manage my mana well.

At the end of the day, it boils down to what is required of you to see your raid team through the raids, and your healing style, in conjunction with your own mana management should you then decide just how valuable spirit is to you as a healer. (Run on sentence, I know, sorry!)

Great article!

By: Kayeri

Kayeri — Fri, 12 Aug 2011 21:06:07 +0000

Well, I just spent some time reconfiguring my gear… I gained mastery and managed to arrange to hit the 2005 haste breakpoint without my alch trinket. My spirit has dropped down to 2060, but I get another 400 from my tsunami trinket once the heals get going. This makes me nervous, but we’ll see how it goes on Sunday, our next raid night.

By: Jasyla

Jasyla — Fri, 12 Aug 2011 03:35:49 +0000

It’s interesting looking at the specs of those two people you referenced. Affinity has devalued spirit, but has taken all the mana talents (3 Moonglow/2 Furor), whereas Gamon has high spirit but has taken 2 points in Genesis instead of Furor.

I haven’t been a big fan of spirit for this whole expansion. Near the end of Tier 11 I was sitting around 2000. I never reforged away from spirit, but I’d often pick up gear with no spirit on it. In T12 my spirit got pretty high, just based on the gear I was getting. I think I maxed out around 2400. As soon as I got my 2T12 I reforged a lot of spirit to mastery and I am now at 1743 spirit. It’s treating me okay so far. At first I had a bit of trouble with mana, but it was because I immensely overvalued the mana gain from 2T12 and healed like an idiot. Now that I’ve stopped doing that, I don’t miss the spirit at all.