Point them to the lyrics of the very song you linked – especially the last few lines.

Or… by any chance, did you see the film Bobby? If you did, think of that scene towards the end with Martin Sheen and Helen Hunt in their hotel room – the one where Hunt is QQing because she doesn’t have a pair of black shoes….

Unless you are a guild who is pushing for a top whatever US/World rank, rankings should not define you as a guild. If you build your foundations on always being ranked “X” the minute you are not, your foundation becomes weak and crumbles.

Specifically, nobody saying anything about progress compared to other guilds, and never scrambling to be realm first in any way.

If I were a GM and saw my guild not being on realm first, or risking to no longer be, I would push as hard as possible and schedule extra time to get on top again, since otherwise recruitment obviously gets fucked up.

This is the reason why raids fall apart. The pressure with trying to compete with other guilds can frustrate people to the point where they fail, either to leave for a “better raid”, or that it seriously starts affecting their performance. I’ve seen it happen- people can be so focused on getting that first kill that they forget they’re standing in the fire, or get very snippy when something goes wrong (also putting extra pressure on other raiders).

Unnecessary pressure not from the outside, but also from within. This turns raids more of a chore when you have to deal with that.

Hang in there, I’m rooting for you guys!

There’s no problem with people wanting firsts, but it’s a backwards desire. Getting firsts isn’t a goal, it’s a byproduct. The goal is to have everyone at the top of their game, staying focused, and doing what is needed of them.

It’s a terrible way to play. Instead of each wipe bringing you a little closer to your inevitable victory, it starts to be seen as allowing the next closest raid to get 10 minutes closer to beating you. All first-talk does is build up the pressure, and there’s certainly already enough.

It’s also kind of ridiculous to zero in on a mostly arbitrary ranking system as the gauge of quality. If you had Paragon transfer to your server before the 4.3 lands, and they beat you to Deathwing, would that be cause for frustration? The fact that a completely separate group did something that you had no influence on does not reflect on your group. Even if another guild beats you, it doesn’t mean they’re better than you (and you beating them doesn’t make you supreme either, for that matter). There’s a reason why the #1 team or player doesn’t always win in a competition. You’ll have different strengths, weaknesses, motivation, and other traits. Worry about yourself, not others.

Every raid has its own potential. A pace for that specific guild. It may change from fight to fight, or between tiers, but it will take any guild a certain amount of time to kill a boss. That is the determinant of who gets kills in what order. The only thing an individual can do to increase that pace is to help you reach your potential: show up, be prepared, do your best, and help others do the same. That’s where their attention is needed.

You video last night made me smile. I think it probaly had the same effect on others as well

@Beru
All I can say is server first or not, nerfs or not, my best effort will always be there, as cheesey as that sounds.