Comments on: Dispelling a Few Myths About Raiding (and how to Yor’Shaj in LFR)

By: Beruthiel

Beruthiel — Wed, 04 Jan 2012 22:31:41 +0000

@Brunpal -

I highly suggest checking the date something was posted before basing a huge part of your arugment on “it’s not really that new anymore people should buy a clue”

Which, subsequently, I still disagree with.

Just to help you out – this post is a month old and was released after LFR had only been out for two-ish weeks.

By: Brunpal

Brunpal — Wed, 04 Jan 2012 17:51:33 +0000

I have to disagree with 4/5 of your “popular misconceptions” regarding LFR. It may sit wrong with you when people leave but I agree with barcs and bear’s replies above. In a regular raid #2-5 would be rude because it inconveniences the rest of the people in the raid due to delays in going back to SW and replacing the people who left (#1 is obviously not acceptable). There is no inconvenient downtime in LFR though, so it’s not rude to leave.

When people queue for LFR they aren’t necessarily signing up for “a raid” they are signing up for “a boss.” I like LFR because it allows me to do a single boss when I know I don’t have time for something more. Also have you considered that some of those people you are mad at for leaving early might have been kicked from the raid? You are assigning reasons you disapprove of to random strangers then getting mad at them when you can’t possibly know the reason. The real reason they could be leaving is that they did the last half of LFR first and no more loot can drop for them, or the baby has woken up from his nap, or the dog wants out, or it’s time to finish the laundry. There’s an infinite number of reasons why someone would leave a LFR group that have nothing to do with the reasons you assign. It would be far worse for them to go afk than to simply drop group.

And for #5, I find it rude when people insist on spending 5mins to explain a fight that everyone should know. Yes it’s new-ish content but there’s still no reason not to know it past the 1st week. There is a 20 min wait to queue up. That’s plenty of time for someone who doesn’t know to learn enough with a quick google search or the dungeon journal. A 5 sec explanation I would have no problem with but a 5 min explanation x8 bosses would be 40mins of wasted time every LFR. I could do 2 dungeons in that time. There’s no reason to punish the majority of people by wasting their time so that the lazy can be coddled.

By: Expectations & LFR « Jaded Alt

Expectations & LFR « Jaded Alt — Fri, 30 Dec 2011 22:27:17 +0000

[...] the system perfect? Nah. But it does work, and while it might not feel like a raid to those who run raids more regularly, for those who’ve never run, or those who have and [...]

By: Osi

Osi — Sun, 11 Dec 2011 17:18:13 +0000

Just a few corrections to these …

1. This is against the TOS, report he idiot under “Report Abuse” not “submit ticket” and watch the kid get banned with in the hour.
2. This is acceptable in LFR. This is not an organized raid. Thus rules of an organized raid does not apply …
3. See #2.
4. See #2.
5. See #2.

You have to realize that there are different rules for LFR due to how it is implemented. You cannot apply your own guild rules to LFR, or any Guild Raid Runs for that matter.

By: The Cognitive Dissonance of Raid Finder « Tree Heals Go Woosh

The Cognitive Dissonance of Raid Finder « Tree Heals Go Woosh — Sun, 11 Dec 2011 17:08:19 +0000

[...] Finder has so little in common with any kind of raid I’ve ever taken part in. Beru had a good write up about this a few days ago as well. She’s right, that no (successful) raid teams out there [...]

By: barcs

barcs — Sat, 10 Dec 2011 04:45:20 +0000

The big problem with LFR is people just need on everything they can, regardless of MS or OS. Sometimes the same person gets 2 of the same loot as well. People are blind on Yor’shaj and automatically go green nomatter what, regardless of how many times we state it before the pull and even when calling it out when the oozes spawn. It’s utterly absurd the amount of baddies in the LFRs. A frost DK was doing 7k. That isn’t even acceptable for ZA/ZG. Fix it blizzard.

By: The Daily Quest: Dragon Soul-searching »

The Daily Quest: Dragon Soul-searching » — Thu, 08 Dec 2011 20:58:08 +0000

[...] Leaves and Wings dispels a few myths about raiders and offers a brief and simple guide to killing Yor’Shaj in the new Raid [...]

By: Caretha

Caretha — Thu, 08 Dec 2011 16:45:13 +0000

The LFR needs a better vote-kick system.
As it stands now, you need 5 people to vote to kick someone before the question “Do you want to kick this player?” even shows up.
Further, it needs to have a sort of “vote-kick rep”. What i mean by that is, when you get kicked from LFR, the reason needs to stick with you and make it easier to kick you the next time. Knowing that someone is an AFK’er, pulls before the tank (I wanted to shoot people for this. It wiped us so many times), rolls on loot clearly not intended for them (Druids on a 1.4 speed agil/stam dagger, for instance) or is just the plain old “I WILL STAND IN THE MIDDLE AND SHOOT THE BOSS, Screw all of you people talking about “mechanics”.” type of person, would be really handy.

And all these grumps complaining about the snowflakes are silly. They’re pretty.

By: Beruthiel

Beruthiel — Thu, 08 Dec 2011 15:28:20 +0000

THANK YOU MR. GRINCH!

By: Pandaria.nl – World of Warcraft Mists of Pandaria blog » Blog Archive » The Daily Quest: Dragon Soul-searching

Thu, 08 Dec 2011 09:51:53 +0000

[...] Leaves and Wings dispels a few myths about raiders and offers a brief and simple guide to killing Yor’Shaj in the new Raid [...]