Comments on: What’s Wrong With Just Being Different?

By: Lovely

Lovely — Wed, 21 Mar 2012 11:39:01 +0000

I am a fan of 10m, done 10m for many years. I used to say exactly what you are saying: that there is little margin for error in 10m, that if I lose a few ppl in 25m or if they slack, no big deal. But lose one in 10m and it’s a wipe. For DS, done both and I have experienced the opposite. Take Ultraxion, if we lost one person even half way through the encounter, it was a wipe. We struggled a lot to get the kill. Went next week (with an unlikely comp to boot, not cherry picking, had one ranged and rest melee, no shaman etc). Lost our highest dps at the start of the fight. Still killed Ultaxion. Another one – Zon. 25m, had to use proper CD rotation between me (tank) & my healers not to die, due to increased damage on only one tank (just like in 10m). In 10m, 2 healers, no CDs at all, no problem.

I do 10m now again. In a guild that has 4 10m groups. No, we are not going 25m. I LOVE 10m for several reasons and I’m proud of my 10m team. But hands down, 25m DS is harder than 10m DS. Maybe it wasn’t always so, I am only talking about the one I experienced, meaning current content, DS. What I have learned is: not to compare the two till I try them out and never draw a general opinion, but always mention it in relation to certain content.

By: Theace

Theace — Fri, 02 Mar 2012 07:48:17 +0000

People who belittle 10 man raids are pretty naive. Your margin of error is considerably higher the more players you have. If you roster is 25 people strong and you do a 10 man, then yea it’s going to be inherently easier, for a number of reasons. You have gear, experience, etc. In 10man you have to work with what you have, or chances are there is no raid, unless your on a higher population server then you can probably get a decent pug.

Some of the posters have a good point, blizzard should just stop trying to parent the players, if people want to run the same raid with different groups then do it. It’ll have the added benefit of us on lower population servers(Staghelm-US), to be able to run more challenging content when our 10m guild isn’t able to. Take away the lock-out for 10/25. Make them separate but equal in quality.

By: Babwizzle

Babwizzle — Fri, 27 Jan 2012 20:07:03 +0000

I like the LFR format — bang your head against the boss as many times as you like on 10 or 25, but you only get loot once. If you tie the achievements (plural) to how many people were in group for each kill that dropped something, then it solves the problem of world first, too. Though I’m certain that the second week, world first would have occurred, I have no problem with that. It still makes it doable for 99.999% of guild who could care less about getting world first.

By: Jen

Jen — Fri, 27 Jan 2012 19:31:21 +0000

Yeah, but should Blizzard really design the whole game around the handful of guilds going for server firsts? I don’t think they should.

By: WeWhoEat

WeWhoEat — Fri, 27 Jan 2012 17:06:52 +0000

Beru’s whole argument is framed around the issue that competition between guild kills is very real if not from an achievement aspect but from a guild recruiting aspect. If that is the case, then if you have a guild on your server that’s willing to put in the time to run both 25s & 10s for 2x time the loot then you’re going to feel might pressured to do the same or fall behind, lets not even mention legendaries (which I doubt will ever stop, maybe they need to be taken out of raids).

Maybe its insignificant because the gear advantage it may present doesn’t last very long, but you know its going to be a requirement for any guild even considering any server first achievements as seen by the LFR exploits that went on.

“It’s no skin off my nose” doesn’t exist in a competitive environment.

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Fri, 27 Jan 2012 14:47:22 +0000

[...] And in other news, Falling Leaves and Wings wonders just what exactly is so bad about letting 10-man raiding and 25-man raiding be two different things? [...]

By: AliPally

AliPally — Fri, 27 Jan 2012 14:43:54 +0000

Yes, if that is the case then I can’t argue against it.

By: The Daily Quest: No BlizzCon makes us sad pandaren | gQuit's WoWPress

The Daily Quest: No BlizzCon makes us sad pandaren | gQuit's WoWPress — Fri, 27 Jan 2012 14:20:51 +0000

[...] And in other news, Falling Leaves and Wings wonders just what exactly is so bad about letting 10-man raiding and 25-man raiding be two different things? [...]

By: Andrew Martin

Andrew Martin — Fri, 27 Jan 2012 14:15:05 +0000

As someone who likes 10 man raiding I feel like I’d get kind of forced to do 25s like I was in Wrath. There weren’t very many, if any, heroic mode 10 man guilds on my server in Wrath. So to get what I wanted, to do highly challenging content with 9 other people, I had to just do 25 man stuff as my “day raid” and I could do a 10 man hard mode team on the side.

By: Jen

Jen — Fri, 27 Jan 2012 07:23:36 +0000

We’re talking about the majority of the population here. Except the bleeding edge progression guilds, I doubt any guilds *required* you to do 25-man and 10-man in the same week. I know people in my realm’s top guilds and they never did anything except alt runs on 10-man. It is very much possible to find a competitive guild without ridiculous requirements.