My thoughts are that right now tol is easier to handle as we are used to it already…but with 3mins cds content nerfed and very low damage its hard to say if its the best talent or not … Force of nature is not working as it should since it casts 6 healing touch instead of 7 (i have been told it depends on your haste/casting speed) —it finishes casting in the middle of 6 to 7 cast… though if we get the 7 cast to work properly it can be good in terms of mana saving and in certain bosses (currently in ds).

Sotf needs a new playstyle and perhaps waving goodbye to good uptime of rejuv and wild growth if you want to manage to get good burst output in healing. Since after you cast swiftmend you need to be sure there is damage to group to cast wild growth so you dont waste sotf. There is another option to reduce swiftmend and its the healing touch glyph but i think until our next tiers we wont cast so many healing touches to make the glyph worthwhile. I also want to remind everyone that you cast swiftmend you then have 5 seconds to cast a spell (sotf) so the cd between wg and swiftmend is roughly 2-3 secs different making also a good sync with a casting of a healing touch after wild growth. Ofc in theory its easy to say things like that.

some numbers at our current lvl :

with 2005 haste and soul forest you get 11 ticks of wild growth (8 ticks without soul forest) with 2057 haste +soul forest and heroic trinket proc at same time you get 15 ticks

with soul forest + 2057 haste without heroic trinket (of haste) proc you get 12 ticks so numbers unless i misread them are wrong.

—with 2057 haste wg ticks are 8 as with 2005 haste so 2057 is no new haste limit on its own —

18 ticks of lifebloom (with bloom glyph on) with soul forest and 2057 haste

21 ticks of lifebloom with soul forest 2057 haste (with bloom glyph on) and heroic trinket proc (haste) ///

with soul forest + 2057 haste + heroic trinket proc (without bloom glyph on) i got 32 ticks lb

// with soul forest 2057 haste i got 21 ticks of lb (no bloom glyph no heroic trinket proc)

thats it for now … (will try to get more testing and put it in a more visible form)
(testing the haste as suggested by other sources at 2057 haste no raid buffs)
Apostoloss -rdruid / ravencrest Dawnstar Guild

As for the WG glyph for ten mans, I’m not sure. I know that it is a net healing loss to try to sync up WG and SotF every time with it unglyphed, and I’m sure your rotation would change from how you would use it glyphed, if you were going for maximum throughout. With it glyphed, filling in with Rejuv, you have an 827k gain, where as without the glyph if you attempt to sync it up with WG each time you only have a gain of 337k (see EJ post for the math, as it’s not mine!). So the question that needs to be asked, I think, what would give the best throughput in a ten man setting – and I suspect it’s going to be to use the WG glyph.

I suppose that is a question that should probably be worked out for those running tens. And, ultimately, will need to be solved for 4T14 as well.

While I understand that LB can be cast with SotF, you get higher HPS by using a Rejuv when SotF doesn’t line up with a WG. You to get a 29k gain from Rejuv and only a 19k gain from LB. (See EJ post linked above for the math on those numbers).

I ran with WG unglyphed as we’re a 10man (I think that’s still the right decision…right?)

With all of that gear/experience background, I have to say, I thoroughly enjoyed SotF (and had very good success with it in terms of competitive or better output with several of our more regular healers), even using it on Madness (though I had never healed it or spine on heroic, and mana fears led me to go ToL on spine and I’m glad i did). Very fun uses, especially for fights like Warmaster where phase 2 has consistent bursts of damage with comparative periods of only tank damage going on so I don’t feel bad about keeping WG so super-tightly on CD. I also really enjoyed it for madness when I would use it to buff a strong Rejuv on parasite targets or for WG during tentacle burns, the bolt blast, or the final phase blood pushes.

Plus, SotF gave me maybe my favorite moment of the night: i spent one on a nourish (don’t ask…) and almost fell out of my chair laughing.

The thing I like about SotF is that it gives an added dimension to think about. Now that LB and Harmony last forever, and Harmony in particular requires basically no maintenance, SotF gives me something that I can think about how I want to use it, what needs it’s likely to help with in the near future, etc. Along with Ironbark, I really enjoyed the new resto toolkit even if the shrooms are depressingly (and distressingly) ineffective (having been a moonkin using the old placement mechanic for so long, I don’t mind placing the shrooms, I just wish they were worth using).