Comments on: Time Sinks, World Bosses, Disapointment and Danny Glover

By: Threa

Threa — Fri, 26 Oct 2012 16:55:06 +0000

Your section on time sinks completely mirrors my current feelings toward the game. The other night I honestly stopped mid-daily and asked myself: why? I figured millions of other players are grinding away, the problem is just me. However reading the forums and other posts like this one just cement the fact that the current state of the game just is not fun. I understand putting in effort to prepare for raiding but at the moment it really does feel like chores are getting in the way of me enjoying the game. I already told my raid leader that I was on the brink of quitting and because of that I won’t be bothered making the highest level raid food and will be cutting down my playing time significantly.

This expansion is a beautiful success but I haven’t been able to fully appreciate it because I’ve been to busy doing dailies.

By: wingria

wingria — Thu, 25 Oct 2012 17:07:24 +0000

By: Maalin

Maalin — Sun, 21 Oct 2012 20:42:28 +0000

I completely agree Beru. I, too, find myself grumpy at “having” to do my WoW chores or getting to the end of an evening’s play and finding all I’ve done is dailies. For me, the solution has been to back off on the dailies and chores and take a more leisurely pace. Fortunately for me, the group I raid with is not uber and we just do it for fun and personal challenge (well, I do anyway). But now my biggest fear is that by taking my time with the grind I will miss out on seeing raiding content when it’s un-nerfed and at level. I’m afraid that by the time we’re ready to raid we’ll be too far behind. And my particular group does need the boost that better (grindy) gear brings. Yes, I know nerfs can generally be turned off but it’s hard to get 9 other people to agree to do it. So my very favorite part of WoW, raiding challenging content with a group of friends, may completely disappear. (Commenters – please don’t tell me to find a different raiding group. On a backwater realm the choices are slim. I have chosen a fun, adult, non-blaming, no-drama group over the opposite. But that has meant choosing to raid at a slower pace.)

By: Zy

Zy — Sat, 20 Oct 2012 00:53:42 +0000

Don’t you dare think you are the problem here Beru! Are you ‘to old’ for fun? Absolutely not! Most of the comments on this post agree with you, tons of well articulated bloggers agree with you and thousands of posts on the official Blizz forums agree with you. Blizz overdid the daily grind this time around. The gating and grinds were way overdone and to many options were cut out (for instance, they could’ve kept the tabards for rep but capped the amount of rep you could get from dungeons per week so that if you wanted to do it that way you could).

We play this game for fun. If a good chunk of the playerbase isn’t having fun then Blizz is what is wrong here, not us.

By: Tazor

Tazor — Thu, 18 Oct 2012 23:15:48 +0000

you are so correct on every point Beru. I now call wow my second job. I absolutely cannot wait to get this horrible grind over with. It’s especially harsh coming from GW2 which does everything right. If GW2 had end game I’d cancel wow in a second. Oh well, at least the daily grind will end eventually.

By: Tonk

Tonk — Thu, 18 Oct 2012 18:55:23 +0000

I see this design as spreading out progression groups. Other things being equal, those guilds that have players who are committed enough to grind these dailies every day will progress marginally faster. Those struggling to beat the “chore boss” will take a little longer to reach the same point. What I hear is that you want to have that commitment but that its being seriously tested. That’s a hard place to be. On the other hand, I think server firsts should be hard. Being at the top of the raiding game should require a lot of effort.

For me, my enjoyment is more important than progression. I’d rather poke my eyes out than sign up to do dailies every day and that means I’m not part of the HM raid group. That’s a trade-off I’m happy to make.

By: Cain

Cain — Thu, 18 Oct 2012 17:47:43 +0000

As Rohan has talked about in his post, it’s the crossing of the streams that is the problem. A group pve player should do group pve content in order to progress at group pve. A solo pve player should do solo pve content to progress. They need to move Valor point gear back to a neutral vendor and increase the rate at which you gain valor so that no matter what type of content you prefer (group pve or solo pve) you can easily cap in roughly the same amount of time as the seven heroics during Cata took.

All of the people disagreeing with you and saying it’s optional have obviously never been in a competitive raid guild where the other people in your team are expecting things of you.

I personally like having the different reputations to grind. I’ve always enjoyed picking a reputation to work on and slowly getting it done on the side. I almost always will finish most reps they add into the game. That’s not the problem, the problem is tying the reps to group pve. Put the rewards on a neutral vendor and just have the currency gained by doing different things. Then it is optional and people that really like reputations can do it that way. People that like raiding can do it their way.

By: Neil

Neil — Thu, 18 Oct 2012 17:47:16 +0000

I have to shake my head, can Blizzard really do anything right, first it’s “omg I have nothing to do” now its “omg i have too much to do” you will not be doing these dailies in a few weeks.

Most of the rewards are at honored or revered, Exalted gets you mounts etc. Only 1 or 2 epics I have gotten (i am ilvl 47)have been from factions the rest from world bosses / LFR or raiding

By: Beruthiel

Beruthiel — Thu, 18 Oct 2012 15:33:27 +0000

I would agree with you…if so much wasn’t locked behind reps that required to to grind dailys to access them. That fact lane throws out the “it’s meant to take a long time”. I could see that argument for things like tillers, anglers, lore walker and cloud serpent things. But not for dailys that are holding patterns, enchants and VP gear behind them.

As for the chore bit, as I stated above, I feel you may have taken that a touch to literally.

By: Beruthiel

Beruthiel — Thu, 18 Oct 2012 15:31:10 +0000

I think I agree a bit with your tinfoil hat theories!

I do think part of it was perhaps to teach us a lesson, but I’m not entirely sure the lesson was well received